Jämför synen på miljövård i Storbritannien som av tradition håller sällskapsdjuren högt och Grekland som inte har den traditionen.
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Just dessa argument tycker jag är bland de viktigaste. Som jag minns min tid i grundskolan, under 70-talet, så stod det tamejtusan ett litet akvarium i varje klassrum, som användes i undervisningen i naturlära.
Min son gick grundskolan under 2000. Hörde inte talas om några akvarier där. Överlag verkar detta att gå ut i naturen med skolbarnen minskat, förmodligen som en konsekvens av urbaniseringen. Distansering, som Erik påpekar. Fokus ligger på annat som i samhällsapparaten ses som mer nyttigt och lönsamt.Kommentar
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Visst måste vi försvara akvariehobbyn som många av er förespråkar.
Jag tycker ni har mycket bra argument.
Jag såg ett program kallat ”Tanked” på Animalplanet här om dagen. Är det är synen som våra politiker får kan jag förstå att de har invändningar på hållandet av akvariefisk. Man kan också ha samma åsikt om andra så kallade accessoar djur.
De seriösa akvarister Erik, Erik, Pabbe, m.fl. talar om är kanske lika utrotningshotade som vissa fiskar?
Men det är vi som måste visa upp hur det verkligen kan se ut och fungerar. Vi måste helt enkelt komma ut ur våra akvariegarderober för att hålla klåfingriga politiker borta. Miljöförstöring, jakten på magiska mediciner, osv. är nog ett betydligt större hot än seriösa akvarister.
Erik Åhlander: Vet du hur samarbetet ut mellan akvarieföreningar inom EU? Det kanske vore smart att jobba på den fronten?Webmaster för Ciklid.org.
Underverk fixas med det samma. Mirakel tar något längre tid.Kommentar
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Jag jobbar ihop med tyska, amerikanska, brittiska, italienska, spanska, franska och holländska föreningar och forum. Kanske kan jag utnyttja dessa kontakter. Schweiziska också förresten och polska.Klart du ska vara medlem! Vi har ett växande medlemsantal och kommande år är jubileumsår, vi firar det väldigt gärna tillsammans med dig!
///David
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Jag slängde in en fråga till BCS och OATA. De har en kampanj redan:
Klart du ska vara medlem! Vi har ett växande medlemsantal och kommande år är jubileumsår, vi firar det väldigt gärna tillsammans med dig!
///David
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Du är makalös!
Du är NCS
Ditt kontaktnät kan nog visa sig vara ovärderligt i denna fråga och andra.
En sak jag funderar på är om ett slags upprop/info/blankett kunde ligga på hemsidan för utskrift. Vi medlemmar skulle kunna ta den till våra lokala zoohandlare och andra som kan vara i behov av upplysning.Kommentar
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Asbra idé någon som kan ta på sig att skriva ett utkast till ett upprop?Du är makalös!
Du är NCS
Ditt kontaktnät kan nog visa sig vara ovärderligt i denna fråga och andra.
En sak jag funderar på är om ett slags upprop/info/blankett kunde ligga på hemsidan för utskrift. Vi medlemmar skulle kunna ta den till våra lokala zoohandlare och andra som kan vara i behov av upplysning.Klart du ska vara medlem! Vi har ett växande medlemsantal och kommande år är jubileumsår, vi firar det väldigt gärna tillsammans med dig!
///David
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Tack också men inte alls santKlart du ska vara medlem! Vi har ett växande medlemsantal och kommande år är jubileumsår, vi firar det väldigt gärna tillsammans med dig!
///David
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Skrämmande läsning!
Kan i min vildaste fantasi inte förstå hur man vill stoppa hållningen av exotiska djur (fiskar). OM det görs på ett ansvarsfullt sätt!
Där är nog en punkt att jobba vidare på, hur man håller fisk i fångenskap! Dagligen ser jag annonser som läggs upp i fb gruppen akvarister från blocket som inte är ok på något vis! Det är något som vi i NCS skulle kunna jobba med!
Samt få många handlare att tänka långsiktigt! För uppenbarligen görs inte detta när "nya" akvarister håller tex guldfiskar i skålar eller mycket små burkar!
En av många idéer..
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Lite nyheter från Holland :
Källa:The Dutch pet trade under pressure
In June 2013, so-called "positive list" for mammals was published in the Netherlands. The list of fully allowed for pet ownership types is short; minus the nine listed animal species remain twelve types of pets . Such lists should be created for birds , reptiles , amphibians and fish. The backgrounds and the expected impact on the pet industry illuminated Alex Ploeg , secretary of the Dutch industry association Dibevo , Secretary General of the European Pet Organization ( EPO) and Secretary General of Ornamental Fish International ( OFI ) .
Alex Ploeg is secretary of the Dutch industry association Dibevo , Secretary General of the European Pet Organization ( EPO) and Secretary General of Ornamental Fish International ( OFI ) .
Since then, the animal PvdD party won two seats in the parliament , the attention to animal welfare has risen sharply . As a result, most of the other political parties have also included the issue in their manifestos and the government have been many research projects at the University of Wageningen in order. This university has a long history in livestock research, but no experience with pets .
Pets in the Netherlands
Surveys conducted by the market research institute TNS NIPO According lived 2011 pets in 55 percent or more than 4 million of all Dutch households . In talks with parliamentarians , we provide the Dutch Zoofachhandelsverband Dibevo regularly find that they are " pet " think the keyword primarily to dogs and cats. Few are aware that there are also even more from Are guinea pigs and dwarf rabbits. Only in the discussions with us they realize that , of course, birds, fish and reptiles are kept ... Overall, more than 31 million vertebrate animals are kept as pets in the Netherlands. This figure of 2011 is made up as follows:
Ornamental fish : 9.4 million
Pond fish : 8.5 million
Cats: 3.9 million
Pet Birds: 3.1 million
Dogs: 2.2 million
Chickens, ducks , geese : 1.5 million
Rabbits: 1.0 million
Pigeons : 0.9 million
other small mammals : 0.6 million
Reptiles and amphibians : 0.2 million
The market for pet animals
The pet supplies industry in the Netherlands has annual sales of 2.1 billion euros . On average, each household 's monthly 26.22 euro for pets , pet accessories and chucks from ( 1.4 billion euros ) . Added to ährliche household expenditure of 72.27 for veterinary services ( 200 million euros ) . The pet supplies includes, in addition to the retail wholesalers, manufacturers, logistics companies , import and export companies . Their sales estimates Dibevo on together 516 million euros .
With 2.1 billion euros in sales , the volume of pet supplies is greater than, say, the market for veal sectors (956 million euros ), poultry meat ( 842 million euros ), beef (560 million euros ) or eggs ( 361 million euros . ) .
Development of legislation
Currently, can operate at any one animal leading pet shop in Holland. The only legal requirement is the respect for laws against animal cruelty. In addition, hardly provides a different statutory provision for appropriate advice to the buyers of pet animals , nor are minimum requirements for conduct regulated. That will change . A new law is in the works , the Zoofachhändlern and pet owners' demands expert knowledge about the animals to be cared for . Even if the contents are not yet known , it is anticipated with high demands on these certificates of competence .
positive lists
What are we worried the proposed restrictions on the allowed as pets species. Such a positive list was required 25 years ago . It took nearly 20 years , were drawn up appropriate lists for all vertebrate species . 2004 agreed to the pet supplies such a positive list , which was created by pet owners , pet shops which , scientists, animal shelters and animal welfare organizations under the auspices of the Dutch Council of Animal Affairs. Although there was some doubt as to their species classification, agreed to all members of that list, because each party could live with it. However, this list was not used because at that time constraints did not fit into the concept of deregulation government. However, the Parliament calls for the introduction of a positive list , based on the natural behavior of the animals.
Meanwhile , the Belgian government also establish a positive list for mammals and put them through without the inclusion of pet supplies . The Belgian Association of pet owners and the pet trade , Andibel , marched against this list before the court. The Belgian court referred the complaint to the European Court of Justice because the restrictions affect free trade in the European Union. The EU Court ruled that positive lists affect free trade and were authorized only for reasons of animal protection, health for humans and animals and the environment. The criteria restrictions would have to be objective and non -discriminatory. Prior to the introduction of a positive list of other measures with less negative impact on trade must be examined.
The work of Wageningen University
However, the scientists of Wageningen University developed a method for classification of mammals, based on the behavior in nature , not natural behavior . Some of these scientists understand yourself as an expert for the welfare of pet animals . Published by them essays on the subject are, however, not classified by representatives of the pet owners and scientists who deal in detail with pets , as scientifically sound . Thus, it is theorized , all individuals of a species are genetically fully adapted to the habitat in which they live in the wild. Genetic variability and adaptability to conditions in different habitats , however, will not be considered . For the analysis of which type is suitable as a pet , only literature was analyzed by like-minded colleagues. The wealth of information from books and magazines , however, were completely ignored , dismissed personal experiences and insights many years Riger holder as " irrelevant" . Thus, it was not considered whether the behavior of the animals is characterized by a greater or less pronounced need. And it is assumed that an animal is the less suitable as a pet , the more specialized its behavior .
No consideration was whether pet owners are able to meet these animal needs in an environment created by them , domestication is not considered a relevant factor . Pet owners and their stakeholders to get involved only in the context of an online survey . This reached a few holders . It was said that only those species would be evaluated and considered for the positive list in consideration received for the completed questionnaires . Furthermore, all species listed in Annex A of EU legislation should not be included in the positive list - regardless of their CITES status. Representing the interests of pet owners and animal welfare organizations were allowed then the suitability of a species as pet with "yes" or "no" rate . A " Yes " or "No" to all the species of a genus but was " not serious " classified as . Since this is not so concerned about a serious stakeholder involvement , decided this not to submit suggestions for the list.
Consequences for pet supplies
The consequences of the list can be dramatic policy. Currently, only the list for mammals is available. This list is divided into three parts : Animals that may be gehallten (positive list) - animals that may be kept under conditions - animals which can not be kept (negative list) . Particularly frequently held species are on the positive list , even if they were not rated . Dogs and cats were excluded from the Ministry of the analysis , after the review of the dog was negative as a pet . Animals were not analyzed because they are allowed by definition. For those species that are most likely no longer be allowed , there are animals that are kept only in small populations and partly sold not on the pet trade . This will have a slump in sales of pens, food and accessories , but the amount is difficult to estimate. Also, it is very unlikely that the holders of these species are to cast their animals.
The Parliament has asked the Minister to draw up such lists for birds, reptiles , amphibians and fish. Will back again exclusively used for this behavior in nature as a criterion and as an information source only the publication of like-minded colleagues , it is foreseeable that only a small number of species remains for pet ownership . This would ruin the hobby as well as the industry.
Judging by the Andibel criteria
In our view, the scientists of Wageningen University offend against various criteria that have been lost in the case of the Belgian lists the EU court :
It is not objective and it is discriminatory when species are taken from the review because for them no questionnaire was completed or because they simply are not present ;
It is not objective and it is discriminatory if species were not analyzed in the positive list ;
No other measures were considered before reaching the same goal with less negative impact on trade;
As there have been no animal welfare problems with the now very likely prohibited species , it is very unlikely that this new regulation on animal welfare is significantly stronger. Around 90 percent of all problems with pets account for animals that continue to remain allowed. And these problems are 100 percent due to negligence and lack of knowledge of the holder. This demonstrates the positive list does not change .
Decision in court ?
In a corresponding questions in Parliament , the minister explained , it is expected that a high number of lawsuits against the list of mammals. Apparently this is the way the government wants to go.
Mammal List of Netherlands
Positive list - animals may be held :
House mouse, Sinai spiny mouse , gold spiny mouse , Levant vole , guinea pigs , weasels guinea pig , dog , cat, rabbit , brown rat , golden hamster , gerbil , mink, horse, donkey , pig, goat, cattle , water buffalo, fallow deer, sheep
Animals that may be kept only under certain conditions :
African pygmy mouse , Persian gerbils , Campbell dwarf hamsters, Woestijnzwerghamster , Gambia giant pouched rat , Prevost's Squirrel, fat-tailed gerbil , opossum, chinchillas , ferrets, steppe lemming , White Elephant trunk coati , Himalaya dwarf chipmunks, ground squirrel , Richardson ground squirrel , colored Squirrel, Finlayson croissants, banana squirrels, chipmunks, reindeer , llama , alpaca, camel , vicuna , camel , Agile Wallaby , Tammarwallaby , Sumpfwallaby , Bennettwallaby , Parma Wallaby , Laaglandtapir , sika deer , dwarf armadillo
Animals which can no longer be held :
Degu, hedgehog , Dschungarischer dwarf hamster , gerbil , Civet , Mara / Little Pampashase , wallaroo , Grey Kangaroo , Red Kangaroo , tayra , binturong , Mara , Plains Zebra, genet , white-tailed porcupine, desert fox , arctic fox , red-tailed squirrel , Japanese squirrel , red squirrel , flying squirrel , Dreizehnstreifenziesel , Sugar Glider , Siberian chipmunks, dwarf mongoose, capybara , yellow mongoose , mongoose , raccoon dog , coati , prairie dog, raccoon , crab Raccoon, Black Bear, Kinkajou , strip Skunk, Nilflughund , bison , brown bear, dingo , fennec ( desert Fox ) , GOLD AGOUTI , Fuchs, eland antelope, serval , leopard cat / Bengal
Klart du ska vara medlem! Vi har ett växande medlemsantal och kommande år är jubileumsår, vi firar det väldigt gärna tillsammans med dig!
///David
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